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  • Spinet organ chop—advice?

    So, I'm thinking of chopping my old Conn 428M to make it more portable. How would I get started and what things do I need to look out for?

    Here's a link to some of my organ pics:http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...5&l=974c97db21
    Conn 427M Deluxe Caprice (1959) | Kimball 792 Swinger (1975, gutted for MIDI)

  • #2
    Why? ...........

    Geo

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    • #3
      For pep band and small performances. I just like the sound it has and want to be able to take it places without requiring a four-man crew to move it.
      Conn 427M Deluxe Caprice (1959) | Kimball 792 Swinger (1975, gutted for MIDI)

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      • #4
        That would be a tall order to chop it and have it still work. I would consider just sampling it and playing the samples in a modern keyboard.

        Geo

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        • #5
          How about building it into a new case, putting the tubes behind the manuals and creating jacks for the pedalboard, swell pedal, and an amp? I think I used the wrong word when I said "chop."
          Conn 427M Deluxe Caprice (1959) | Kimball 792 Swinger (1975, gutted for MIDI)

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          • #6
            Split is the word you're looking for, but this is a really old tube organ and I doubt if it would be reliable enough to stand much gigging. Conn (and everone else) built these instruments to stay in one place. I'm with George on this, I'd sample the sounds you need and keep the organ intact.
            It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

            New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

            Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
            Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
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            • #7
              I'm not one to squash a man's dreams..but even I wouldn't do this one. Believe it or not, even building it into a "different" case won't make it any lighter. More portable but not lighter. This organ was built to stay in one place for a long while. Years ago I played an electronic accordian called a Cordovox with this many tubes in it...it broke more than I played it, and it was specifically designed to move around.
              Good luck though with your personal decision.

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              • #8
                Alright, how would I go about sampling this thing?
                Conn 427M Deluxe Caprice (1959) | Kimball 792 Swinger (1975, gutted for MIDI)

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                • #9
                  OK, in a nutshell. You'd need a PC with sampling software (plenty out there, a Google will get you details). You then record (sample) the sounds you need, You don't need to sample every key, these sounds are very basic and one sample can often cover a whole octave. Your software will then allow you to edit, trim and loop the sounds, building them into a small sample library. You then play them back using your computer, playing the sounds from a controller keyboard.

                  You'll also find that there are some synths and dedicated keyboards that have sampling capabilities.

                  Cordovoxes - I remember playing them, but only after they became much more reliable giggers when they went transistorised. In fact, we must thank the humble transistor for the explosion (not always literally, but sometimes!) in combo organs etc in the 60's. I think the only tube organ you could reliably gig was the 'built like a tank' Hammonds.
                  It's not what you play. It's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

                  New website now live - www.andrew-gilbert.com

                  Current instruments: Roland Atelier AT900 Platinum Edition, Yamaha Genos, Yamaha PSR-S970, Kawai K1m
                  Retired Organs: Lots! Kawai SR6 x 2, Hammond L122, T402, T500 x 2, X5. Conn Martinique and 652. Gulbransen 2102 Pacemaker. Kimball Temptation.
                  Retired Leslies, 147, 145 x 2, 760 x 2, 710, 415 x 2.
                  Retired synths: Korg 700, Roland SH1000, Jen Superstringer, Kawai S100F, Kawai S100P, Kawai K1

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                  • #10
                    Hmm, well I guess I'll try sampling it.

                    On another note (no pun intended), I'd really like a Leslie, but my amp doesn't have the plugs for one. Is there any way to either change out the amp for another with the Leslie plugs (there are only two plugs, one for key input and one for speaker output) or could I just add a straight mini plug jack for one of the newer Leslies?
                    Conn 427M Deluxe Caprice (1959) | Kimball 792 Swinger (1975, gutted for MIDI)

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                    • #11
                      When I absolutley had it with my Cordovox I bought my first B3 with a 122 Leslie for $800.00 from a local music shop in Buffalo NY. I played that organ on gigs for 17 years without as much as putting a tube in it. My sax player said "I'll help you carry the Hammond, at least we know it will work on every job!".. Like an idiot I sold it to buy all new gear to get heavily involved with a midi project. That was 7 years ago. Recently I bought it back from the guy I sold it to plus an M3 to portabalize now to gig with. Not as young as I used to be...the van is gone..and so is my sax player .
                      Frank

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                      • #12
                        Firepower, do you have an operating/repair manual or circuit schematics for that 428M? I have got a similar vintage Selmer and am keen to compare what circuits and techniques they used back then.

                        Ciao, Tim
                        Selmer Concert 1958

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